The subway itself would run straight down Utica Ave with potential stations at Empire Blvd, Linden Blvd-Church Ave and Clarendon Rd. The door had some panels missing, and whenever open, a look into the door revealed the unfinished upper level station. An elevated extension known as Route No. And stations wouldnt be possible if elevated. make elevateds palatable again I want everything else done so that it ensures it will work. I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. I also think that building Utica would take some ridership away form Nostrand (those whom transfer via bus) so we should focus on Utica and then see what Nostrand looks like. Abandoned Stations List; . 1135 Eastern Parkway. Great idea. Spend that 343 million in 9-year-old dollars and where do the additional runs go? Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. Adding another train to Queens Blvd is a problem. Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. Utica Avenue Subway Station. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. Atlantic-Barclays, now thats interesting. It will extend easterly from Buffalo avenue and Eastern parkway via East 98th street and Livonia avenue to New Lots avenue. But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. In 1951 Bergen Beach hadn't yet gained its acreage of tract housing. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in BedfordStuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. It was the result of a partnership between the Hopi tribe and a group of Route 66 aficionados who are dedicated to preserving the heritage of this iconic road. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. This is why I say do IRT now and level provisions for the future. [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. The 5 is already going express and with further station spacing you would still have good run times. B46 Utica and Eastern Parkway. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. 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Yes, it would take ages for New York to make the Plan for Action setup even remotely possible, but the fact is that the smaller size of the IRT inherently bottlenecks passenger capacity (as known by Lexington Avenue) and also is an operational pain-in-the-neck, since the IRT cant use IND platforms. Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) The only It would reduce the need for bus transfers. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. [30] In 2015, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced his proposal for an extension of the 3 and 4 trains down Utica Avenue. Renovations added looping maroon tile patterns at the mezzanine level, as well as the platform's floor pattern. The station opened on August 23, 1920, as part of an extension of the IRT Eastern Parkway Line by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. So we really have to make the most out of the small extensions for now. Queens has the big unmet demand; its got the 12th and 25th busiest stations in the system as TERMINALS! Most of the subway system in New York City no longer has that feel . This would also take relief off of the (B)/(Q) trains to the west. Far simpler with more capacity. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. The MTA has only been making these small extensions, the last major one (affected more than 3 lines) was in 1967-1968, which changed the BB, T, TT, D, F, JJ, M, MM, and the QT, and added the QJ, B, and KK. So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. Where do you get 10TPH from? In fact Id discount any curve adjacent to a station by about 50%. Wilson Ave. Hmm, cant fit both Triborough RX and the L in the open cut because you need a freight track? The storage/layup tracks ends with bumper blocks on both ends, with a switch to the northbound express track on its west end and a switch to the southbound express track on the east end.[8][7]. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. These technological limitations were shortly overcome and the only IRT line that doesnt use part of this original line is the 7 which is limited by the Steinway Tunnel. Unlike at Eastern Parkway there were no track connections ever designed and the station itself sits in the middle of the intersection. With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. But that still requires 2nd Ave to be built first. Well, maybe the few short runs can be extended but all the new runs have to be BWY7. I chose to believe that rerouting the B/D to Williamsburg opens up far more possibilities. There are no flaws in this plan. Even today Utica makes too much sense. NEW YORK, NY - Police are seeking a man who allegedly exposed himself and performed a 'lewd act' in the presence of a 21-year-old female subway passenger. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. I agree using Worth has disadvantages. Also, that wasnt a smart move, moving the 3 and 5 so that all local trains past Franklin Av are linked up together, and all express trains past Franklin Av are linked until Utica, except ones local and the others still express.Most passangers at Flatbush Av( I should know, this is part of my daily commute) While both the Eastern Parkway and Fulton Lines were designed for future Utica Ave expansion the Fulton Line was designed to have Utica as a separate line entirely while Eastern Parkway was designed to have Utica branch off. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. But what this plan does is allow for a new and better city to grow around the line rather than be divided by it. But the question is what is more dire, commuters coming from Wall St (with their many different subway options) or those coming from Williamsburg (with the congested L)? Its not a great idea but I was going off what I heard. And reworking Lafayette/Atlantic and Montague is all extra card shuffling that wont help Utica Ave riders anymore when they could just take the IRT express AS IS and be done with it. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. Environmentalists wont sue over the clouds of dust raised. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. Additionally, the Fulton-Utica service would have to be local only with an awkward transfer at Utica Ave station. Like on the Jamaica el. Also with the 5 running past Eastern Pkwy to Kings Plaza, will the B46/B46 SBS still run down Utica Av for the full length or will the SBS be shut down and the B46 local run from the 4/5 train up to Williamsburg? This is the level of transit that buses provide for a fraction of the cost. Past the fence, there was a tiled wall with a door. The important thing about the shorter option is that installing these switches could be done overnight or over a weekend and wouldnt require long term, disruptive construction. street-side condemnation would be for the head-houses. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. Between Fulton St and Empire Blvd, Utica Av is a two lane street, past Empire its a four lane street. The 2004 artwork here is part of a series called Good Morning and Good Night. The IRT built their Utica Ave station west of Utica Ave with turnouts in the track walls so that a branch could split. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. 3. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. This final station is worth considering because even though half the catchment area is parkland and the Mill Basin canal the station would serve the popular Kings Plaza Mall and there is space for a modern bus terminal for better service around southeastern Brooklyn and to the Rockaways. Same dilemma as if underground. In your next post, could you talk about a potential Fordham-Ozone Park line served by the 2nd Ave Subway? [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. Youve shown plans to underground the Ls el as well as the Fulton and Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. They are not evenly shared. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. Train operators. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. Still, the terminal must be fixed so what is required is a short tunnel south that would allow a terminal yard of 4 tracks be built. The two street stairs here lead to either mall of Eastern Parkway west of Utica Avenue. Eastern Py Utica Av. And I much prefer to have 2nd Ave take over the B/D trains on the Manhattan Bridge so that they can be rerouted to Williamsburg instead. Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). Look at the ceiling from the open platform, and at the mezzanine area at the north end. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? The 3 cannot be extended as, in order to get the most capacity out of the line, the Rogers Junction needs to be rebuilt and this will segregate local and express trains. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. Top track level I like the basic idea. Oh well, maybe that will help since Im taking the express trains away from Nostrand. In addition, a two-track branch line along Nostrand Avenue branching off east of the Franklin Avenue station was to be constructed. They will be hardened to survive skyscrapers falling on them and to survive flooding from the next superstorm. There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. The big attraction to politicians of boring subways instead of cut-and-cover is that it removes so much uncertainty. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. hunting lodge motif with crossbeams. Freeway-style concrete pillars. Switch the 3/4 so that the 3 still goes to New Lots Av, but the 4 will now go to Flatbush Av. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. This also makes me question realigning existing radial services into SAS. You know those 44 tph the current arrangement allows? Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station was constructed as part of the Eastern Parkway Line. In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. A, closer station spacing, only holds against full-length express trains. What do you figure the cost of the subway portion of the line to be? I outlined my plans for 2nd Ave in a previous post but one thing I only mentioned in passion was how Phase 4 could be achieved cheaper if it was connected to Nassau St after Chatham Sq (as in, 2nd Ave would not connect to Centre St by Bowery by to Nassau St by Chambers). is still only two flights up. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. from those two subway stations This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. On a side note, the Rogers Street Junction needs to be rebuilt regardless of any extensions. (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. Then a tunnel would have to be built from Fulton to Eastern Pkwy, where the tunnel would have to be built directly under the 3/4, then a steep incline from Eastern Pkwy to Empire Blvd, so a portal could be built for the elevated line to Kings Plaza. Between Fulton St and Eastern Parkway the crest of the ridge which runs along Long Island rises 52 feet. Its smarter to do a IRT Utica line because the demand for a Utica Av Line is not in Bed-Stuy and Williamsburg, but in East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Mill Basin. ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. As TERMINALS a decade or more to build an extension down Utica because its dense. 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